Friday, August 26, 2005

Letters, Cole, Culture, Kasnazani, Gaza, Wall, Credit Card, BS, WSMB, Rallies, UFPJ, Gallery

1) I discovered last time that I can't get Arabic text to transmit correctly on Yahoo. However, it did come out OK on the blog. The attachment to this message is another Arabic text that came through my inbox as a read-only PDF file. It purports to be an exchange of letters between Saddam Hussein and Muhammad Baqir al-Sadr.

2) Here's a long analysis by Juan Cole on the trials and tribulations of Iraq's Constitutional process:

The Iraqi constitution: DOA?Angry and marginalized, Sunnis are threatening to torpedo Iraq's constitution.

Disaster looms, and the Bush administration's blunders are largely to blame.
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By Juan Cole

Aug. 26, 2005 On Thursday, the third deadline for finishing Iraq's new constitution passed without agreement, as Sunni leaders balked at Shiite and Kurdish demands for federalism and regional control of oil wealth. In response, Shiite leaders threatened -- yet again -- to bypass the Sunnis, use their majority to approve it in Parliament, and take it to the Iraqi people for a national referendum.

Whether the constitution is sent to the Iraqi people without Sunni approval or is once again returned to the election committee for negotiations is almost irrelevant. The divisions are so intractable that the Sunnis are going to be marginalized, and enraged, in any event. The upshot: America's political vision for Iraq lies in tatters, and the Bush administration has largely itself to blame....

3) On Iraq's cultural scene in the midst of a growing civil war:

The death of Al Mutanabbi StreetIraqi culture was reborn when Saddam fell, only to die again. A report from Baghdad's fear-haunted literary cafes.

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By Phillip Robertson

Aug. 26, 2005 BAGHDAD, Iraq -- Near the old Jewish quarter of Baghdad, at Al Rasheed Street, there is a meandering alley named after the Iraqi poet Al Mutanabbi. The poet's street branches away from Al Rasheed and heads down through a tissue of dilapidated buildings with thin columns that hold up warped balconies. Bookstores of every description occupy the street-level spaces, selling technical manuals, ornate copies of the Quran and a nice selection of pirated software. Al Mutanabbi then runs downhill toward the mud-brown bend of the Tigris until veering west at a covered market and the high walls of an old mosque school. Right at the bend in the road is Baghdad's legendary literary cafe, the Shabandar, where for decades writers and intellectuals have come to drink tea and smoke tobacco from water pipes. The place is smoke-scarred and dirty. When there is electricity, which is almost never, the fans do not cool the air at all. Literary men in their shirt-sleeves sit and smoke.

On Tuesday, Aug. 2, walking carefully under the white-hot sun, a man carried a bag down Al Mutanabbi Street and walked into Hajji Qais Anni's stationery store, stayed for a short time, then left without his package. When the package exploded a short time later, the blast killed Hajji Qais, who was sitting near the door where he kept watch over his shop. The bomb set fire to his place, and it is now a blackened shell on bookseller's row...

4) I saw a ceremony by these fellows in 1991, and was simply blown away. They pierced their tongues with sharpened metal sticks, pierced their midriff with a pike, ate a flourescent lamp, and got stung by a snake on the tongue. All the while about 1000 followers chanted "huwa" ("He", or "God") in an ever more entranced state. I took great photos, which I no longer have as I lent them to someone and never got them back:

Iraq Sunnis, Shias unite to mortify the flesh

By Andrew Hammond and Seif Fuad

While sectarian strife threatens to tear Iraq apart, mystical Sufi orders like the Kasnazani still manage to bring Sunni and Shia Muslims, as well as Arabs and Kurds, together

AHMED Jassem, a Shia from Iraq’s holy city of Kerbala, sticks knives into the bodies of his mostly Sunni followers. They say they feel no pain, standing silently as the blades pierce their skin. While sectarian strife threatens to tear Iraq apart, mystical Sufi orders like the Kasnazani still manage to bring Sunni and Shia Muslims, as well as Arabs and Kurds, together.

Sunni insurgents are fighting a relentless battle against the Shia-led government which came to power after the US invasion of 2003, but within the confines of Sufi gatherings the Islamic sects mutilate each other to get close to God.

“God said the most blessed among you is the most pious, being close to God has nothing to do with your background,” said Jassem at a weekly meeting of the Kasnazani order in Sulaimaniya in northern Iraq.
“The Kasnazani order makes no difference between Sunni and Shia, Arab and Kurd, or Iranian,” said the man whose job is to mortify the flesh of other Muslims.

His Sunni followers proudly display their wounds. One man has three large kitchen knives lodged into his scalp. Another has a skewer entering one cheek and exiting from the other. All around people sway in a hypnotic daze to the Sufi music.

Suffering to get closer to God: Sufism - a mystical form of Islam that is more liberal than the more demanding Sunni Wahhabism of Saudi Arabia - appeals to Shias because of its veneration of members of the Prophet Mohammad’s (PBUH) family.

The founders of many Sufi orders trace a bloodline that goes back to the Prophet. Followers try to get closer to the divine through dance, music and other physical rituals.

The Kasnazani is Iraq’s largest Sufi order and is a branch of the Qadiriyya order which spreads across the Islamic world. “Body piercing with knives, skewers, drinking poison, eating glass and taking electricity - these are all signs of being blessed by God,” Jassem said, listing Kasnazani practices.
“When the knife comes out, the dervish is healed straight away. This is the blessing of God and power of the order.”

Each apprentice, or dervish, goes through spiritual and physical training in order to learn how to endure what would otherwise be considered forms of torture.

Qusay Abdel-Latif, a doctor from Basra in south Iraq, said this divine intervention has tempered his belief in science.

“Once they wrapped an electric wire around my body and ran electricity through it, but I didn’t feel anything. I got closer to God through this,” he said.

“I can only explain it through the divine power that prevented the pain from the electricity, which as we know should mean death or serious consequences,” he said.

Low profile: The Kasnazani order has been forced to take a low profile in recent years. Its leader, Sheikh Mohammed al-Kasnazani, left Baghdad for Iraqi Kurdistan in 1999 after Saddam Hussein’s government became suspicious of his popularity.

Kasnazani’s sons are active in politics, running a political party and a national newspaper which tries to walk a fine line through the country’s sectarian minefield.

Islamist radicals among the insurgency frown on Sufism as emotional superstition. While deadly attacks on the order have been rare, 10 people died in a suicide attack on a Kasnazani gathering in Balad, north of Baghdad, in June.

“The Islamist extremists like Al Qaeda, Ansar al-Sunna and the Wahhabis are against Sufism, and since Kasnazani is the main order they are against us,” said Abdel-Salam al-Hadithi, spokesman of the Central Council for Sufi Orders in Baghdad. The Kasnazani order has been forced to scale down its activities in Sunni-dominated west Iraq, Hadithi said.

In normal times, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis would head to celebrations of holy figures but now people are no longer going, fearing random violence or deliberate attacks. “Iraq is sinking in a sea of blood right now and no one is safe, whatever their sect or ethnic background,” Hadithi said. reuters

5) Gaza Disengagement Analysis:

Journal of Palestine Studies
Issue 136 (Summer 2005)
Praying with Their Eyes Closed: Reflections on the Disengagement from Gaza
Sara Roy

When the missionaries came to Africa, they had the Bible and we had the land. They taught us to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, we had the Bible in our hand, and they had the land. — Jomo Kenyatta, first president of Kenya.

On 9 June 2005, the last legal hurdle to implementing Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon's disengagement from Gaza was cleared when the Israeli High Court approved the plan and its removal of all the Jewish settlements there. The settlers, though angered by the decision, were not surprised and vowed to oppose their coerced departure with all means possible. Considerable media attention in the United States has been devoted to the suffering of the Jewish settlers and the personal costs for them of the disengagement. This attention has served to thaw and then humanize the often violent and zealous settler population, and in so doing, to illustrate and amplify the sacrifices Israel is making for peace.

By now a great deal has been written about the disengagement plan by both supporters and opponents. Many of the arguments in favor focus on the redeployment as an opportunity to break the near five-year-old political impasse between Palestinians and Israelis and usher in a new era of stability and peace. In April 2005, for example, President Bush stated that Israel's withdrawal will allow the establishment of "a democratic state in the Gaza" and open the door for democracy in the Middle East.[1] Tom Friedman was more explicit, arguing that "[t]he issue for Palestinians is no longer about how they resist the Israeli occupation in Gaza, but whether they build a decent mini-state there—a Dubai on the Mediterranean. Because if they do, it will fundamentally reshape the Israeli debate about whether the Palestinians can be handed most of the West Bank."[2]
Embedded in both statements are a set of assumptions: that Palestinians will be free to build their own democracy, that Israel will eventually cede the West Bank (or even consider the possibility), that Israel's "withdrawal" will strengthen the Palestinian position in negotiations over the West Bank, that the occupation will end or become increasingly irrelevant, that the gross asymmetries between the two protagonists will be redressed. Hence, the Gaza disengagement plan—if implemented “properly”—will provide a real (perhaps the only) opportunity for resolving the conflict and creating a Palestinian state. It follows that Palestinians will be responsible for their success, and that if they fail to build a "democratic" or "decent mini-state" in Gaza, the fault will be theirs and theirs alone.

For rest of article, see:

6) Israeli "Apartheid Wall" Appeal:

by Sari Nusseibeh
President, Al Quds University
East Jerusalem

As Arab schools in East Jerusalem prepare to start the new academic year in early September, nearly seven hundred teachers employed by those schools will be unable to reach their classrooms. With the "security" wall around Jerusalem now reaching its completion, cutting off East Jerusalem from its natural Arab surroundings, and entry restrictions becoming more stringent, teachers who neither have Israeli IDs or special permits will no longer be able to reach their places of work. Many pupils living in those areas will also be prevented from being able to reach their schools.

Privately-run Arab schools in East Jerusalem provide an indispensable venue for the education of Arab pupils, as Israel's government-supported school system in this area hardly covers 20% of education needs. If teachers are not allowed to reach the classrooms, more than eighteen thousand school-aged children will be unable to continue their education in some fifty schools in the area. The social and political implications of such an eventuality speak for themselves.

The Israeli Government has thus far processed and approved the applications of about a hundred teachers, mostly through a "selective" procedure discriminating between some schools and others. This discriminatory policy flies in the face of academic and religious freedom. All schools applying for permits for their teachers should be provided with those permits, without prejudicing real "security" considerations possibly affecting a specific individual.

The present crisis facing education in East Jerusalem is a test for what "the Wall" is about. In opposing the boycott to Israeli academic institutions our principle was that educational institutions should be allowed to flourish and discrimination to learning on political grounds be opposed. Today all those who uphold these principles have the opportunity for positive action. Your support is urgently needed to ensure that this Wall will not cause an education system to collapse. Address your appeal to Israel's Prime Minister and Israel's Minister of Interior to ensure free access to East Jerusalem's schools.

Jerusalem/25th August 2005
Take a stand. Send your appeal to:
Prime Minister's
Ministry of Interior

7) Credit Card promo gone bad:

Credit Card Letter Addressed 'Dear Palestinian Bomber'

8) The BS Protector:

9) This is an appeal by Paulette Swartzfager, about advertising on WSMB's Air America broadcast in New Orleans:

Yesterday afternoon I drove to a WSMB radio live site near my house to thank WSMB for brining progressive radio to N.O., especially Air America.

I spoke with the WSMB sales person and, although they are receiving tons of e-mails and calls about how much everyone loves Air America and progressive radio in New Orleans, they have no (0) ad placements and are not getting any income from ad time. We need to appeal to all the good people who listen to the station, the professionals who want it here, and the political parties who need it here, to put their dollars where their hearts and minds are.

I will be getting a pricing chart from her soon. I'm a lowly less than 30k a year activist, but certainly someone out there needs to advertise. The only show bringing in revenue is the Tom Fitzmorris Food show. This can't happen. WSMB took a chance, so let's make sure it's worth their effort. They are NOT a non-profit.

Forward as you need to.

10) Here are announcments for anti-war rallies scheduled for 24 September:

Statement about a joint rally and joint march for September 24.

The two major antiwar coalitions that have initiated and organized for a massive anti-war March on Washington for September 24 have agreed to organize a joint rally followed by a joint march. Both coalitions will organize under their own banners, slogans and with their own literature for the September 24 demonstration. The joint rally will begin at 11:30 am at the Ellipse in the front of the White House. We urge everyone around the country to unite and come out for the largest possible anti-war demonstration on September 24.
Signed by:
United for Peace and Justice
A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition (on behalf of the September 24 National Coalition)============================================
Anti-War March in San Francisco - Saturday, September 24 @ 11 AM
STOP the War on IRAQ
Gather 11 a.m.Dolores Park
End Colonial Occupation: Iraq, Palestine, Haiti...Support the Palestinian People’s Right of ReturnMilitary Recruiters Out of Our Schools and CommunitiesStop the Racist, Anti-Immigrant and Anti-Labor Offensive at Home U.S. Out of the Philippines, Puerto Rico and Afghanistan Stop the Threats Against Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and North Korea
For more information contact:
202-299-1055 Click to subscribe
Metro DC Mobilizing Meeting
For September 24-26 Actions to End the War on Iraq
Monday, August 29, 7 PMSpeaker TBA
Want to see an end to:
- a war based on lies against a country that never harmed us?- people dying, with no end in sight?- billions spent to occupy Iraq, while our schools and hospitals starve for funds?- young people with few opportunities being pressured to join the military?- an occupation making us less safe at home, giving Bush another excuse to strip immigrants and all of us of more rights?- Congress people continuing to fund the war?
Then join with groups across the U.S. to pressure Congress and the White House to end this war!
COME ON OUT to a mobilizing meeting to get plugged into building for United for Peace and Justice’s September 24-26 days of action in Washington, DC. Reach out broadly and bring friends, neighbors, family members, and co-workers: Anyone who is mad as hell and wants this war to end!
WHAT: Mobilizing Rally and Working Meeting for UFPJ’s Sept 24-26 Mobilization to End the War Against IraqWHEN: Monday, August 29, 7:00 – 9:00 p.m.WHERE: Communication Workers of America offices. 501 3rd St., NW at 3rd and E Streets. Closest Metro stop: Judiciary Square/Red LineWHO: Individuals and members of organizations welcome!
* Pick up leaflets to get out the word about Sept. 24-26* Plug in to a working group!* Get updates on the 3 days of action!
Details at * 202-299-1055
To become a volunteer, email
Working together, we have the power to make the Bush administration get out of Iraq. Attend the September 24 march. Be a part of the organizing. All who want to help end the Iraq war are invited!
Join United for Peace and Justice in Washington, DC for three days of mass action, Sept. 24-26, to oppose the war on Iraq and meet up with the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation and UFPJ to oppose US support for Israel's military occupation of Palestinian territories.
The US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation is a member organization of United for Peace and Justice (UFPJ), the country's largest peace and justice coalition with more than 1,300 member organizations.
UFPJ has called for three days of mass action in Washington, DC, Sept. 24-26, to oppose the war on Iraq. The US Campaign has endorsed this mobilization and urges all of its supporters to participate in it.
UFPJ has also endorsed and will be supporting and publicizing the US Campaign's plans for Sept. 24-26, which include:
* Organizing a Palestine feeder march and contingent in the joint UFPJ/ANSWER rally and march on Sept. 24
* Collecting 10,000 postcard signatures to Caterpillar demanding an end of bulldozer sales to the Israeli army
* Organizing a Palestine Tent on the grounds of the Washington Mall with teach-ins, videos, information, cultural events, and more!
1) Sign up to join the US Campaign's Palestine feeder march by clicking here.
2) Volunteer to collect 100 postcard signatures to Caterpillar (we need at least 100 volunteers to make this work) by clicking here.
3) Reserve space for your organization to distribute information and sell merchandise in the Palestine Tent, Sept. 24-25 by clicking here.
4) Donate to the US Campaign to help us print materials to educate tens of thousands of people (we need at least $5,000 to do this well, so please give generously!) by clicking here.
5) Order your US Campaign t-shirt, buttons, and other merchandise for the mobilization by clicking here.
6) Attend the next US Campaign Sept. 24-26 organizing meeting at our office on Thursday, August 25 at 7:00PM. The US Campaign is located at 1101 Pennsylvania Ave. SE, Suite 204, Washington, DC. Click here for a map to the office. The entrance to the office is on 11th St. SE. Ring the bell for ETAN/US Campaign to be let in.
7) Have your organization endorse UFPJ's anti-war mobilization by clicking here.
8) Learn more about UFPJ's important work on Palestine/Israel by clicking here.
9) Download leaflets and web banners, purchase buttons and stickers, find logistical details and more by clicking here.

11) UFPJ Announcement:

Recently, there's been some confusion about UFPJ's work on Palestine. Several organizers suggested that it would help if we produced a document laying out the facts about the work we've done.
You can now view and download a document detailing our work on this issue that is posted on our Palestine/Israel Just Peace Campaign page at . We've also included the text of the document below.

Please feel free to share this document with the members of your organization, as well as people in the Arab and Muslim (and other) communities with whom you hopefully are seeking to build stronger ties. Let us know if you need more information or it there's anything else we can do.

Leslie Cagan
National Coordinator UFPJ
Summary of UFPJ's Work on Palestine
to Date August 23, 2005

UFPJ's Position on Palestine UFPJ is a broad-based coalition that came together in October 2002 to prevent and now end the occupation of Iraq. In February 2005 UFPJ's member groups adopted a strategic framework mandating this focus. See: .

While we focus on Iraq, we do so within the broad context of the Bush administration's sweeping empire-building agenda abroad and its assault on people's rights at home. So we look at the war in the context of the costs of war, especially to communities of color; a broad moral context in which faith-based organizations play a central role in challenging the immorality of the war & occupation; and a broad regional context in which the occupation of Iraq is linked to the other major U.S.-backed occupation in the region, the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories. UFPJ has done extensive work on Palestine and will continue to do so.
In June 2003 UFPJ's member groups participating in UFPJ's first national assembly adopted a unity statement which included the following: "U.S. political, economic, and military aid is fueling Israel's rise as an unchallengeable regional military power and sustains Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem and its denial of equal rights to Palestinians." See: .

In May 2004, UFPJ's Steering Committee adopted a more developed position on Palestine drafted by its Palestine-Israel Just Peace Working Group, a body that came together at UFPJ's first national assembly in June 2003.

This position advocates for an immediate end to the Israeli occupation, equal rights for Palestinians, and addressing the rights of Palestinian refugees in a manner consistent with human rights and international law. UFPJ's strategy to achieve that goal is to focus on ending all forms of U.S. aid--military, political, and economic--that sustain Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories and its denial of equal rights to Palestinians. See:
and .

Activities UFPJ has Undertaken to Widen Support for Palestinian Rights: * June 2003, February 2005: National Assembly elects representatives from the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation to UFPJ's Steering Committee.
* Nov. 9, 2003: In response to a call from Palestinian civil society, UFPJ organizes national day of action to make Israel's Apartheid Wall fall.
* March 16, 2004: On the one-year anniversary of Israel's murder of U.S. peace activist Rachel Corrie, UFPJ calls for actions to commemorate Rachel's death and pressure the U.S. government to end aid to Israel's occupation.
* June 5-11, 2004: Marking the 37th year of Israel's occupation of Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem, UFPJ calls for national week of action to end to U.S. support for Israel's occupation.
* November 29, 2004: UFPJ calls on antiwar movement to participate in Day of Solidarity with the Palestinian People.
* August 29th, 2004: On the eve of the Republican National Convention in New York City, Palestine activists organize dynamic contingent in UFPJ's August 29th "No to the Bush Agenda" march, attended by half million.
* February 19-21, 2005: UFPJ's 2nd National Assembly of member groups virtually unanimously adopts proposal to support and publicize the Weapons Watch campaign, a campaign led by Jewish Voices for Peace, the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation, et. al. to halt U.S. arms transfers to Israel until it complies with human rights standards and international law, including the April 13 National Day of Action Against Caterpillar.
* April 13, 2005: UFPJ calls on antiwar movement to participate in April 13 National Day of Action against Caterpillar to end sales to Israel of weaponized bulldozers used to destroy Palestinian homes.
* July 12, 2005: UFPJ encourages its member groups to attend 4th national conference of U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation.
* At the March 20, 2004 and August 29th, 2004 mass demonstrations focused on the Iraq war, UFPJ supporters carry hundreds of UFPJ posters emblazoned with "Occupation--Wrong in Iraq, Wrong in Palestine--End U.S. Support for Israel's Occupation!"
* July 9, 2005: In statement responding to London bombings, UFPJ states, "It is time for the U.S. to withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan, time to end U.S. support for Israel's occupation of Palestinian territories, time to stop supporting repressive regimes in the Middle East and other places, and time to remove U.S. military bases from oil-rich countries like Iraq and Saudi Arabia."
* Palestinians and allies that have spoken on Palestine at UFPJ press conferences, demonstrations, assemblies, educational events, etc. include: Damu Smith, Black Voices for Peace; Degaulle Adili, Palestine Activist Forum of NY; Josh Ruebner, Kymberlie Quong Charles, and Nadia Hijab, U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation; Lamis Deek, Al-Awda NY/NJ; Monica Tarazi, American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee - NY; Ora Wise, Jews Against the Occupation; Phyllis Bennis, Institute for Policy Studies; Rabab Abdulhadi, Center for Arab-American Studies, U. of Michigan-Dearborn; Rania Masri, Institute for Southern Studies; Suheir Hammad, poet; and Ziad Abu-Rish, Stop U.S. Tax-Funded Aid to Israel Now
- Philadelphia
* UFPJ distribute to its member groups Phyllis Bennis' monthly talking points making connections between the occupations of Iraq and Palestinian territories.
UFPJ's Plans to Build Support for Palestinian Rights at the September 24th Antiwar Mobilization
In the lead-up to the September 24th antiwar march, UFPJ will publicize the call for a Palestine solidarity contingent/feeder march. We will collaborate with the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation to collect 10,000 postcard signatures to Caterpillar to end bulldozer sales to Israel, and we will have at least one speaker make connections between the occupation of Iraq and Palestinian territories. Also, the U.S. Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation is taking the lead on organizing the "Palestine tent" during UFPJ's post-march peace and justice festival at the Washington Monument, which will contain information, teach-ins, videos, and cultural events on Palestine.
For more information, visit

12) DC Gallery Exhibit on Palestine:
The Jerusalem Fund Gallery invites you to the opening of
Curated by Samia Halaby
Friday, 9 September 2005
opening reception: 6:30 p.m. - 8:30 p.m.
curator's lecture @ 7:30 p.m.

Resistance is the Palestinian response to the tragedy known as the Nakbah, when in 1948, statehood was lost to Israeli occupation. Scattered by war and its negative effects, the majority of Palestinians are refugees or exiles bound together by the trauma of their history. Thus, tragedy and resistance permeate Palestinian national life and are the primary subject matter of Palestinian art. In the years leading up to and including the first Intifada, Palestinian art was primarily an art of liberation growing with the groundswell for freedom. At the turn of this century, Palestinian art has followed two main trends, internal and external, with the subject of Palestine remaining constant as its content. This exhibit features works of the liberation artists, who direct their discourse to their own population. Also included are pieces from the explicatory artists who carry the message of Palestine to the outside world.

Abd al Naser Amer ¦ Nabil Anani ¦ Tayseer Barakat ¦ Rajie Cook ¦ Rula Halawani ¦ Mustafa Hallaj ¦ Zahed Harash ¦ Jawad Ibrahime ¦ Abd al Rahman al Mozayen ¦ Fayez Sersawi ¦ Mary Tuma ¦ Adnaan Yayha ¦ Adnaan Zbeidi

Guest curator Samia Halaby is an artist and writer. Born in Jerusalem, she has studied and taught at several American universities and her work is included in numerous public and private collections. She has curated distinguished contemporary art exhibitions and published books and articles on contemporary art, including Liberation Art of Palestine (2003). She lives and works in New York City.

The Jerusalem Fund GalleryPotomac Plaza Building / 2425 Virginia Avenue, NW / Washington, DC 20037Tel. 202-338-1958 / Directions: <>
R.S.V.P. by email to <> or call (202) 338-1958

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